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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 18:17:33 GMT -6
I don't know I'm not a political demographics expert. By the way captain here you go.
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Post by chrunch on Aug 18, 2016 18:21:53 GMT -6
Trump has never lied or flip flopped?? Trump is a private citizen. He has been in the spotlight for over thirty years, yeah he has changed his opinion of things over the years. So have I. I used to oppose the death penalty. There is a huge difference between a private citizen changing his mind, and top administration official lying to facilitate a cover up.
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Post by jab1362 on Aug 18, 2016 18:32:59 GMT -6
Mik,come on. Cap is right he is a private citizen for the last million years. We all get to change our minds, I bet you don't have the same beliefs you had twenty years ago. Cap was on the death penalty, mine is on marijuana for medical reasons. Everyone needs to listen to his speech tonight.
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Post by chrunch on Aug 18, 2016 18:37:16 GMT -6
Here is the speech starting with Giuliani's introduction.
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Post by jab1362 on Aug 18, 2016 18:39:16 GMT -6
Bye the way Atena healthcare says they have to drop out of Obamacare along with a bunch of other companies because they will lose a billion dollars this year. So how's that if you like your plan you can keep it working out. According to the Prez, everyone will see a reduction of $2,500.00 a year in their premiums. Right'!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jab1362 on Aug 18, 2016 18:41:52 GMT -6
Thanks Cap
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 18:43:28 GMT -6
If that satisfies your sensibilities. đź‘Ť I've always lived around and seen the effects of his bs. He's a child he always has been. He's recorded as saying in the same person I was when I was 8. You way that running the country đź‘Ť Just remember he's a man who filed for bankruptcy 4 times and is currently involved in 3,500 yes 3,500 active lawsuits. If that's good enough for you đź‘Ť
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 18:46:01 GMT -6
But jab they still recorded record profits last quarter. They are just butt hurt that humans that weren't covered before are actually sick and sick people cost money. So they said forget this and they are taking there ball and going home.
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Post by jab1362 on Aug 18, 2016 18:59:53 GMT -6
Mik, That's fair about them picking up the ball and going home. That said the whole thing is collapsing for regular folks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 19:09:22 GMT -6
There will be another another company along to pick up the profits. I guarantee it
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Post by jab1362 on Aug 18, 2016 19:39:38 GMT -6
No there won't be. Show me the for profit company they jumps in. Not going to happen.
Here is the deal obamacare puts all private insurers out of business. Have you ever been to the UK?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 19:42:09 GMT -6
Yeah universal healthcare for everyone sounds good to me. I'm a person with pre-existing conditions you'll never convince me Obamacare is bad
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Post by jab1362 on Aug 18, 2016 19:49:53 GMT -6
Well I'm not sure it works that's why I'm down on it.. No matter what plan you have today is subject to obamacare You as an individual are screwed with both plans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 20:19:57 GMT -6
No, see the way it worked before since I had pre-existing conditions every healthcare company could deny me no questions asked. Now they are forced to take me. And guess what I'm happy about getting healthcare.
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Post by chrunch on Aug 18, 2016 22:06:44 GMT -6
My late roommate had AIDS when he got his last health plan with United Health Insurance. That was in 1999.
He spent the last five weeks of his life in intensive care, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor. I didn't see all of his bills, but one I saw was for nearly $500,000. Of course the insurance company didn't pay nearly that much to the hospital, it paid a significant amount. Money had nothing to do with his treatment. They paid for his chemotherapy, and his oncologist, even though it was pretty clear that he would not survive.
I had an individual plan when Obamacare struck. I had Aetna, and was paying $289 a month as a smoker. I loved the plan. I had a small skin cancer (basil cell) on my face. I paid a $20 copay the first time I went to the doctor about it. That was all I paid. No copay for the cancer removal, or the plastic surgeon that closed the wound. I did have to pay a copay for the Valium and Vicodin, I think that totaled about $40. So for $60, I was all cured.
A couple of years later when Obamacare kicked in, my premium was $316 a month. But my insurance company dropped me. They said they canceled the plan I was enrolled in.
During the next open enrollment, I got an Obamacare Silver HMO plan from BlueCross. By now I had quit smoking. My new premium was about $350 a month with a $3500 deductible.
So lets see, non-smoker - lower risk, Higher premium, and monster deductible. What a bargain! Thanks Obama.
My premium has gone up every year. I am currently paying $473.17 a month.
Keep your plan - un-check Keep your doctor - un-check Lower cost - un-check
Nothing about this is working as planned. Or is it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 22:08:56 GMT -6
Um.. I'm covered. I consider it good
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Post by chrunch on Aug 18, 2016 22:26:58 GMT -6
Um.. I'm covered. I consider it good My roommate was covered. You know why? Because he was in a group. Group coverage has always covered preexisting conditions. Ah, but you don't have a job at a big company that offers insurance. You can't get a group plan. Well, you could if the Republicans got their way. There have been many proposals put up by Republicans for associative group plans. What does that mean? Well it means that any association of people could form a group and purchase a plan. I am a member of Costco. They would be able to set up a member's group plan. Or the NRA, or Houston Restaurant Association. The Masons, the Boy Scouts, AARP (of course that could be expensive with all of the old farts), but any group. There are much better ways to skin this dog then what Obama has done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 4:48:27 GMT -6
I was still left out before. Remember I said pre existing conditions
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 8:55:03 GMT -6
Yeah, trumps brand of bullshit isn't dangerous. Not one bit. Except to these people. link
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Post by Raymond306 on Aug 19, 2016 10:14:45 GMT -6
Have you ever been to the UK? Yeah universal healthcare for everyone sounds good to me. Here's a problem we have, and it has to do with terminology. "Health Insurance" does NOT = "Healthcare." True, the Brits have "universal health insurance" and then they wait for weeks or even months for the simplest medical operations or medical care beyond, "take two aspirin and call me in the morning." Just waiting to get an appointment to see a doctor can take forever. In the U.S. we've had "universal health care" for decades. Hospitals are required, by law, to treat anyone and everyone who comes through their emergency room doors regardless of whether they have health insurance or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 10:51:09 GMT -6
Yeah guess what Ray and the glorious United States of America even I have to wait months before I can see a specialist said to me your argument is moot
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Post by Raymond306 on Aug 19, 2016 11:04:48 GMT -6
Maybe you need to live where I live. Or maybe you need to change doctors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:04:21 GMT -6
It wouldn't matter. I'm financially disadvantaged. So I go to the back of the line. Always
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Post by chrunch on Aug 19, 2016 21:22:03 GMT -6
So it is well known by all that Hiliary is a liar. But just how corrupt is she?
This video is a little over an hour long. It is by the author of Clinton Cash. It explains how the Clintons went from being broke and in debt, to being worth over $100 million. This is a pretty well produced movie. It is worthy of being shown on a big screen with a bowl of popcorn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 22:40:16 GMT -6
So you don't care about Donnie privately ripping people off (trump university)?
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Post by chrunch on Aug 19, 2016 23:51:32 GMT -6
So you don't care about Donnie privately ripping people off (trump university)? Donald Trump was trying a new business venture. Those types of instructional courses were a lucrative business back then. There are still 'free' seminars to try to sell you courses to this day. I don't guess I need to bring up the $16.5 million that Bill Clinton got from Laureate International Universities, and how the State Dept., led by Hiliary gave the university a $55 million grant. Anyway. I just watched the video you posted at the top of the page. I watched it on my big TV. To be quite honest, I didn't find anything fishy at all. He is a guy that has changed his opinions over time. It did show some of the stuff he has said that I wish he hadn't. So what though. He is not a trained professional liar like most of today's career politicians. Pro Tip: If you want to watch a YouTube video from your computer, on your PS3 to your big TV, start the YouTube app on the PS3. Then when you see a YouTube video you want to cast to your main TV, you will see that cast button (lower right).
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Post by chrunch on Aug 21, 2016 0:40:24 GMT -6
You have been awfully quiet mik. You have no issues with the way in which the Clintons accumulated all of that wealth? That woman should be in jail for selling government favors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 6:16:49 GMT -6
And Donnie should be in jail for selling people junk degrees.
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Post by jab1362 on Aug 21, 2016 11:18:30 GMT -6
Maybe Bill Clinton and his wife will be charged by President Trump for the phoney university they ran.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 11:43:33 GMT -6
Maybe overlord Trump will "extreme vet" his wife.
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