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Post by chrunch on Jun 25, 2016 1:00:43 GMT -6
So David Cameron, the Prime Minster, has decided to resign. Both the head of UKIP and that Boris guy said they wanted David Cameron to stay on and not resign.
I get the feeling they wanted him to do the work of uncoupling the country from the EU. I can't blame him for getting the hell out.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 25, 2016 7:43:11 GMT -6
I'm guessing there's some intricate politics involved here, just like it can get a little untidy when you get into the political weeds here. But I listened to Cameron's speech where he announced his pending resignation and I was impressed. He sounded like a statesman, not like President Temper Tantrum, whining and crying about how stupid the voters are to vote against him.
Cameron was taking his defeat like...wait for it...like a man who may not agree, but respects the voters' decision and who plans to conduct himself in an honorable way. Quite unlike you-know-who.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 25, 2016 13:43:38 GMT -6
Well Cameron is a Tory so I would expect him to act like an adult.
Here is a little gloating.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 25, 2016 15:00:35 GMT -6
Well Cameron is a Tory so I would expect him to act like an adult. You mean, you mean you would not expect David Cameron to gather up his followers, sit down in the middle of the House of Commons like, well like a Democrat and spend a few hours screaming "NO REMAIN, FEEL THE PAIN! NO REMAIN, FEEL THE PAIN! NO REMAIN FEEL THE PAIN! NO REMAIN, FEEL THE PAIN!" How refreshing it would be to see such maturity in the U.S. House of Representatives.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 25, 2016 22:49:22 GMT -6
This is a full length propaganda documentary making the case for leaving the UK.
It is well made and very compelling.
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Post by jab1362 on Jun 26, 2016 9:11:56 GMT -6
Looks like Scotland and Northern Ireland will try to block the uk from leaving the EU. My guess is the next step is for both of them to petition to become independent states. I guess the other option would be NI and Republic of Ireland to become one country. Interesting times.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 26, 2016 14:17:56 GMT -6
What I find equally amusing and irritating is the reaction to the Brexit vote by the MSM and the dumbos of the political left, whom Rush Limbaugh refers to as the "low information voters."
You can google it for yourself. Just look for news reaction, editorial comments, opinion page observation and the like regarding the Brexit vote. And the common theme that seems to own all of them can be summed up as: "Oh whoa it Britain, those pathetic fools! How will they ever survive independently from the EU? They are doomed!"
It's as if the 900 years of British independent, sovereign nationhood (prior to the formation of the EU) never happened. And I'm left wondering if the media people and the public that nods its head in agreement can possible be that jaw dropping, bone crushing, mind boggling ignorant. It must be true; for left-wing liberals history began the day they were born and it's re-writable depending upon which way the wind is blowing.
Oh whoa are the Brits. How will they survive? Hmmmph, did a pretty damned good job of it for hundreds of years. My money is on them.
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Post by jab1362 on Jun 26, 2016 14:37:16 GMT -6
My money is with them too. I know that the low information crowds opinion is formed on TV and movies, so some network needs to run Braveheart night and day for awhile. I know he was a Scot, to the dummies he would be English.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 26, 2016 18:30:36 GMT -6
...network needs to run Braveheart night and day for awhile. I know he was a Scot, to the dummies he would be English. I'd be a little leery of doing a movie marathon about a 13th century Scottish patriot who was famous for being a major leader of an Independence movement against the English in order to explain why England (primarily) and Wales voted to disassociate themselves from the European bloc with the Scots and the UK Irish voting to stay with the EU. Hell, that sentence in itself was a regular roller coaster of political insanity from start to finish. I can see there is going to be one hell of a PR battle coming up to prevent Scotland from going into full-blown secession mode -- again. Of course, if you're feeling adventurous, you can also open up a discussion regarding what the EU-less future holds for Londonistan.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 27, 2016 0:09:13 GMT -6
Boris Johnson, former mayor of London, and leave leader, speaks after Brexit.
At 3:00 minutes he starts talking about not rushing it. He says there is no need to invoke article 50. Isn't the UK required to do that? Does it have to be done by the Prime Minister?
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 27, 2016 16:28:54 GMT -6
OH NOOOOOOOO! The fall-out from Brexit has begun in earnest as English will no longer be considered an "official language" of the European Union, according to The PoliticoI know, I know, the Brits will probably cry themselves to sleep for a week once they realize that the French and the Germans and the Italians, and the Spanish, et. al. will NOT include English in their official catalogue of EU languages. There! THAT will show them. I am reminded of one of those "You-could-have-heard-a-pin-drop" stories. For all I know they are all apocryphal stories whose basic "truths", however, aren't altered one way or another by whether or not the tales are actually "factual." This story involved which language was "official" at diplomatic gatherings:
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Post by jab1362 on Jun 27, 2016 17:36:08 GMT -6
I think that English is the language of air traffic control all over the planet for international flights. I wonder how that might affect flights into the euro zone if english is not a supported language anymore.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 27, 2016 18:00:41 GMT -6
I think that English is the language of air traffic control all over the planet for international flights. I wonder how that might affect flights into the euro zone if english is not a supported language anymore. I took the story to mean the European Union eliminated "English" as an official language on a list of officially recognized languages. That doesn't mean all the MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) actually speak English in meetings. Like at the UN they speak in their home languages and everyone else listens to official translators through earphones. As for international airline flights I'm guessing this would have no effect on that. I mean, can you imagine a Lufthansa flight en route to Tokyo and the pilot asks for instruction in German? The Tokyo control officials would go: "WTF?!? Listen, Bud, unless you speak Japanese you'd better switch to English right now." (or words to that effect)
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Post by chrunch on Jun 27, 2016 22:06:03 GMT -6
I guess you can't embed from HBO Youtube pages. Here is the fixed video.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 28, 2016 14:11:31 GMT -6
The head of UKIP and member of EU Parliament gloats speaks to Parliament after Brexit. I love this guy.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 28, 2016 14:57:50 GMT -6
Nigel Farage is sort of a combination of a Ted Cruz/Donald Trump kind of political leader. He knows a great deal about the issues (like Cruz) and he isn't afraid to call a spade a shovel (like Trump). I kinda like him. As for John Oliver, he's really is rather funny much like Jon Stewart, in a vulgar gutter snipe sort of way like Bill Maher.
You can bet he votes for the Democrat Labor Party every election.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 28, 2016 21:28:31 GMT -6
It seems this argument has been going on for over 40 years. There were those that feared loosing sovereignty would be the outcome of joining.
I don't understand how the EU, a trade organization, gained so much power.
Anyway, here is some long gone MP trying to persuade the people from voting to join.
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Post by chrunch on Jul 9, 2016 17:44:15 GMT -6
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Post by Raymond306 on Jul 10, 2016 9:27:21 GMT -6
"We Saved our Democracy" (sigh) Kinda makes me want to cry, but only because he is describing what has happened while on this side of the big pond we can only dream of such happenings. Were you to alter Pat Condell's accent and change his political description to "Constitutional Tea Party Conservative" you would be hearing the same arguments and analysis designed for an American audience.
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Post by chrunch on Jul 12, 2016 21:40:19 GMT -6
Here is a docudrama called "When Boris met Dave". It is about Boris Johnson (former mayor of London and Brexit supporter) and David Cameron, and how they met at Oxford. Cameron is second from the left in the top row. Boris is the blond seated near the center of the image.This first aired on the BBC in 2009. I found it to be quite entertaining. Quick side note, one of the contributors is pollster Frank Luntz, who also went to Oxford around the same time. It contains commercial blanks spaces, but it is easy to preview up to the blue screen and jump forward to skip them. You'll see after the first one. I guess you have to watch it here. vimeo.com/74365223
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