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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 15, 2016 17:41:57 GMT -6
On June 23, the British people will decide for the first time in 40 years whether their country will remain in the European Union or whether it will leave and forge a new path outside the EU. If you google "Brexit" you'll find a plethora of news articles, opinion pieces, along with the usual Internet vitriol, flaming, and trolling regarding the issue. Why do I bring this up? Hey! Despite Barack Obama's ill-disguised disgust for all things British, the UK is still a "special ally" of the United States (at least when Democrats aren't in control of the U.S.) and something this big going on in the UK ought to have our attention. I searched the world wide web for something about Brexit that wasn't overly biased one way or the other. Nearly impossible, but I found one site that gives an overview of the issue and a thumbnail guide to the workings of the European Union: This past Friday Prime Minister David Cameron flew back to London after fevered negotiations in Brussels Friday for the first cabinet meeting to be held on a Saturday since Britain was at war with Argentina in 1982. He was quoted in the news as saying: I don't much about the pros and cons of the issue, but here's what I DO know. Recently Obama issued some thinly veiled threats to PM Cameron implying that if the UK should dare to leave the EU it would be subject to some rather unpleasant economic sanctions by the U.S. My conclusion is that if His Majesty Hussein is that much against the UK exiting the EU, then there must be a lot of merit to the idea and I'd encourage all Brits to vote "Leave".
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Post by chrunch on Jun 15, 2016 23:08:42 GMT -6
I asked Backchat how he was voting and he said Stay, but he lives in London. I don't know a lot about this issue, but my gut tells me that Leave would be the better option. The EU is just another layer of bureaucrats, adding more regulations to people who are already over regulated. Hell they can't even fox hunt anymore. Here is an example of a regulation the EU passed. It was later rescinded because of the public outcry. Dishes of olive oil banned in restaurants.Here are a couple of videos of Nigel Farage, the head of UKIP, the United Kingdom Independence Party. He is a member of the European Parliament. Here, he rips the first President of the European Council a new one.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 16, 2016 7:53:45 GMT -6
I'm happy to say we constitutional conservatives have spokespeople who are just as articulate as Nigel Farage in expressing our views and concerns. I'm sad to say none of them have a chance of representing us in the upcoming November presidential election. As for the olive oil brouhahah one can easily point out such liberty-killing micro management emerging on a daily basis from the dictatorial bureaucracies infesting our national government.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 19, 2016 15:08:34 GMT -6
Here is a case for leaving. The whole thing is worth watching. It gets real interesting at about the 10 minute mark where the subject gets to the centuries old British fishing industry. Appearently the EU put quotas on British fishing and sold the rights to the waters to non-EU countries. The Brits had no say in the matter.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 19, 2016 16:20:36 GMT -6
Change the accent of this Brexit spokesman and you could easily be listening to a list of grievances regarding the regulatory, tyrannical morass the U.S. has become. Abusive, job-killing, soul-sucking dictatorial mandates from an unelected bureaucracy intent on molding the nation into part of a larger, one-world utopian hell!
Such fiery appeals to liberty and freedom have been heard before:
It is time for the Brits to take up the ballot box, as muskets were taken up over 240 years ago, and free themselves from tyranny. And it is time for Americans to do the same.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 19, 2016 17:05:52 GMT -6
Yeah this whole thing brings one word to mind: Texit
You know Texas was an independent nation up until 1846.
There is a rather large movement that has gained a lot of momentum over the last seven years.
I for one, do not support Texas leaving the United States, yet.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 20, 2016 14:10:51 GMT -6
I know what you mean about the "not yet ready for secession" attitude but what I can heartily agree with is the sentiment of Texans who are ready to stand up and declare, "We aren't putting up with this shit any longer!"
Texas is a model (along with a handful of other states) for self-sufficiency and constitutional liberty. It is conservative despite the concerted efforts of the left-wing loons in Austin and Travis County and it could become a major player in the Article V Convention movement.
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Post by jab1362 on Jun 20, 2016 17:13:21 GMT -6
Believe it or not Vermont maybe the first state to leave the union. The Texas folks have been up there meeting with the leaders of the movement there. They've been talking about leaving for thirty years. Bernie getting screwed by the Dems is only feeding the fire there.
As to the British fishing rights, it happened here too. It's called the Hauge Line as the world court redrew the line between the US and Canada giving them fishing grounds that were US waters. Put a lot of US fisherman out of business.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 20, 2016 17:47:25 GMT -6
They've been talking about leaving for thirty years. Bernie getting screwed by the Dems is only feeding the fire there. OMG! Now THAT is funny! So Texans are upset because they see the country as becoming a socialistic, liberty-stealing tyrannical oligarchy, and Vermonters are pissed that it isn't Marxist enough for them. What's that about politics making strange bedfellows?
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 23, 2016 14:48:00 GMT -6
As you might guess, I'll be keeping my eyes and ears open this evening for news about the election outcome. I ran across a story from one of the UK's popular tabloid publications which, like most tabloids includes a slew of photos and video clips. So I thought I'd include the link for anyone wanted to see more of the story from the DailyMail.com.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 23, 2016 16:21:43 GMT -6
Yeah this might bring me out to the polls more often.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 23, 2016 18:19:20 GMT -6
Sky News Live stream
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Post by chrunch on Jun 23, 2016 21:26:55 GMT -6
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 23, 2016 21:40:59 GMT -6
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Post by chrunch on Jun 23, 2016 21:48:16 GMT -6
Yeah I've been watching sky news.
I can't believe Leave won.
Good time to buy pounds, down a lot.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 23, 2016 21:58:25 GMT -6
Although it's not over yet, I think it's nice to see there are plenty of Brits who haven't lost their balls entirely, and don't fall prey to the scaremonger crap. I was watching video clips and reading various sources over the past couple of days and the campaigns seemed to follow two divergent storylines. The Remain crowd was depending upon the boogieman you can't see yet: "Oh boo hoo hoo, if we leave then our economy will die, and our money will blow away and the sky will fall on our heads." And the Leave crowd was saying, "Here's the crap that's going on right damned NOW! We need to leave now because we have no reason to believe it's going to get any better." Jubilant Leave campaigners celebrate victory in the historic EU vote after Sky News projects victory for them.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 23, 2016 22:11:49 GMT -6
Hey guys, is "The peasants have grabbed the pitch forks" a good analogy of this?
And do you think like minded peasants here, will put Trump in the White House?
The polls were showing Stay in the lead. In fact the Leave people even canceled their victory party, and all but conceded to the Stay people.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 23, 2016 22:30:31 GMT -6
"The polls were showing Stay in the lead. In fact the Leave people even canceled their victory party, and all but conceded to the Stay people. That's how you can tell who's who. You know how it is in the U.S. when ALL the polls always show the Democrat ahead of the Republican? Then on election day somehow the Republican wins. And if the polls show the Republican ahead by a little bit before the election, then it ends up being a landslide. Obviously in Britain the establishment politicians and their media lap dogs where doing to do story after story after story about how the "Remain" side was going to win. I'm guessing just like in this country the news media no longer conduct polling in order to see what's really happening, but create polls they hope will gently lead the public into thinking the way the media what them to think.
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Post by jab1362 on Jun 24, 2016 13:15:37 GMT -6
I think the polls here for Clinton are as accurate as the remain polls where in the UK. The MSM just takes the polls in big cities and not in rural America so they get the result they are looking for.
They will do everything in their power to drag her sorry ass across the finish line for a win.
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 24, 2016 14:04:04 GMT -6
The MSM just takes the polls in big cities and not in rural America so they get the result they are looking for. Once upon a time the conducting of a public opinion poll was an attempt by a news organization to better understand what was going on in the minds of the public in response to a news story the news organization had done. The poll was done in response to the story. Today, the process is often reversed. Public opinion polling is used by news media, as often as not, to shape public opinion rather than just reflect public opinion. They create a poll skewed to reflect their editorial position, then create a news story to report the polling results. But there are other factors that can produce inaccurate polling results including the "Bradley Effect" a.k.a. the "Wilder Effect" (google it) In essence respondents to polling questions may tend to answer in ways they believe will reduce potential critical reaction from whomever is conducting the poll. In the Brexit case that could mean someone who planned to vote "Leave" who might respond to a pollster by implying they might vote "Remain" or were undecided simply because they didn't want the pollster thinking ill of them. You may think that's silly, but a lot of people are like that. They will do everything in their power to drag her sorry ass across the finish line for a win. In a recent report regarding the political affiliations of the 72 accredited White House Press Corps reporters do you know how many of them were revealed to be registered Democrats or unregistered who tended to vote for Democrats? ALL OF THEM! Not one of the 72 was a Republican or was revealed to vote primarily for Republicans. In an age of "advocacy journalism" it's not hard to understand why Hillary Clinton gets a pass from the press where a Republican gets a grilling on the same topic.
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Post by Hagar on Jun 24, 2016 18:13:33 GMT -6
just another opportunity for your loud mouth to put his foot in his mouth
a little off the topic but I have heard this guy has declared bankruptcy more than the average business man I really don't think you should even think of voting him in even if he is republican if I was in your shoes I would be working hard to find an independent with your political thinking this guy is just going to make a fool of yous
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Post by Raymond306 on Jun 24, 2016 19:03:57 GMT -6
just another opportunity for your loud mouth to put his foot in his mouth Oh I know what you mean. It was so embarrassing, him going over there, sticking is nose in the internal politics of a long-time ally, lecturing the Brits on how they should vote, and even making not-so-thinly-veiled threats about what might happen if the UK didn't vote the way he thought they should. But hell, he's President of the United States. We can't stop the asshole. a little off the topic but I have heard this guy has declared bankruptcy more than the average business man I really don't think you should even think of voting him in even if he is republican if I was in your shoes I would be working hard to find an independent with your political thinking this guy is just going to make a fool of yous I'd be curious to know how many time Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy, and how many times a business where Trump was only a minority shareholder and/or a business that he sold to someone else but which retained the "Trump" name on the building...I wonder how many times one of THOSE businesses filed.
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Post by chrunch on Jun 24, 2016 19:10:52 GMT -6
just another opportunity for your loud mouth to put his foot in his mouth a little off the topic but I have heard this guy has declared bankruptcy more than the average business man I really don't think you should even think of voting him in even if he is republican if I was in your shoes I would be working hard to find an independent with your political thinking this guy is just going to make a fool of yous You should just go back outside while you've still got the daylight. I have a feeling that after November you are going to have a long and dark winter.
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